|Name Of Column
||Emails, Book & Blog
||News & Events
||Dietrich-Burns M.S. CCC-SLP
||Patients - suggetions from past still true
||Book Review - I Left My Voice........
||New Speaking Out Subjects
|This Lary Life
||Losing my Voice - Learning from Silence
|The Speechless Poet
||Len A Hynds
||Don't be rude - the lady might hear you!
||Prose & Poetry
|Bits, Bytes & No Butts!
||The FCC Watches? - Travel Tips & Ideas
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Off to the IAL
Am trying to get my part of the newsletter ready and make plans for the IAL in Buffalo, NY and a little incidenial like packing, still not done! Since this newsletter is published on the last evening of the month, most of you wake up to find the notice in your mailbox on the first day of the month. We should all be back by then, but barely.
Email Archives - What a Treasure
When you hear the word Archives, you may think, "That's from years ago and is old advice". Sometimes it is exactly that - for personal documents of records that need to be saved for tax purposes or family history, valuable in its own way. But our Archives are special. They hold the answers to a lot of your questions.Today's questions.
Our WebWhispers email list archives are where we keep our files of emails, neatly stored by the date they were written, easy to get to. In my own computer, I have bookmarked the archives address, said yes to having the computer save the password, so if I want to look up something, it takes one click and the page opens showing the subject of the latest email written to the list....a couple of minutes ago! Right below that is the next latest. The oldest 100 or so, seem to be there by accident. They are from 2001 and then they skip to when we started saving them at the end of 2005 and we have over 25,000 messages stored.
I see people write in to the list asking a question about an article last week about that mentioned something they wanted to find...or the "name of a medication for yeast that someone talked about on the list." Why would anyone spend the time to write a message questioning something that was on the list, have to send it in, and wait for someone to tell them? The archives address is at the bottom of every WebW email they get. One click lets them not only get the one they want but messages from others who wrote in on the same subject. Perhaps they don't know they can get there easily and it will be simple to find and read what they want.
The emails are listed by date on the day they were written when you open them but you have a choice to get them by thread.
There is a user ID and Password and you are reminded of the current password every weekend in Michael's list of New Members.
Sometimes we have a person who is undergoing a treatment and writes about it at the time. If you want to know about that, asking may not bring out what the actual experience did at the time it was written. I remember some of our folks who are no longer with us but were very knowledgeable about certain issues. And, the guy who started it all, our founder, Dutch wrote during about a year and a half, sharing his knowledge and wisdom in the archives. I wish we had saved our earlier archives just for Dutch.
I enjoy looking at the archives of messages from people who were new members just a couple of years ago and learning all they could, compared to their current messages where they have become the person with the answers. That's what we are all about. Learning and sharing. The Archives section is just another way of doing that. Please go there.
New Book to Read
I introduced my book on the list about three weeks ago when it was published and appeared on different venues. We have been working on a website where you can go to read about it, and see a list of where it may be found.
It is open now so when you get this newsletter, you should be able to go straight there. There is a blog where I will occasionally write about new developments or comment on what I have just learned and you will be able to make comments on those blog notes. Please love it and tell me so at: talkingthroatcancer.com
The following is a reprint from article originally published 10 years ago. While some of our devices and methods of voice restoration have changed, many of the basics remain the same. How refreshing it was for me to be reminded that sometimes the best thing I can do for myself and my patients is to talk less and listen more.
Kim Almand, M.S., CCC-SLP
from: Whispers on the Web - September 2004
Essential Elements of Pre-Treatment Consultation for Laryngectomy Patients
Katie Dietrich-Burns M.S. CCC-SLP
Senior Speech Pathologist, Clinical Head & Neck Specialist The Milton J. Dance, Jr.
Head & Neck Rehabilitation Center The Greater Baltimore Medical Center
Specific content may vary given the patient's information needs and readiness for learning. It is good practice to prepare the patient and his family for what they will encounter in the acute post-operative period. For many patients this is their first admission to the hospital. Most patients will encounter IVs, catheters, compression stockings, and feeding tubes for the first time. Many will require intensive care and cardiac or "wound" monitoring immediately after surgery. The head and neck nurse specialist may provide a basic discussion of suctioning and post-operative stoma care. Reassure the patient the he or she will have close supervision for the first few days after surgery. Discuss the fact that the ICU staff will know that the patient cannot produce voice. While in the ICU environment, writing, pictures and yes-no signals will constitute the means of communication post operatively.
Once the patient expresses general understanding of the ICU environment, the discussion may naturally move to the alterations in anatomy. The patient should be presented with information that contrasts the differences of breathing through the nose and mouth with breathing through a tracheostoma. Simple line drawings or animated video clips are extremely useful in contrasting nose breathing with tracheostoma breathing. The three primary functions of the nose- filtration, heat-moisture-exchange and olfaction are discussed. The Milton J. Dance, Jr. Head & Neck Rehabilitation Center patient is informed that he or she will be provided with an external heat-moisture exchange system in the early post-operative period to help compensate for the altered mode of breathing.
Patients must be reassured that there are communication options after total laryngectomy --- the artificial larynx, esophageal voice, and tracheoesophageal voice are reviewed. If a patient is scheduled to have a procedure that also involves tongue resection, augmentative communication systems may also be discussed. It is useful to have sample electrolarynges and voice prostheses available for patient inspection. It is the practice of the Milton J. Dance, Jr. Head & Neck Rehabilitation Center to provide all laryngectomees with an electrolarynx during their hospital stay. Patients are informed that alaryngeal voice rehabilitation will start once the surgeon provides medical clearance. Videotaped samples of laryngectomees using artificial larynges, esophageal voice and tracheoesophageal voice are available for the patient to view.
The educational portion of the pre-operative counseling session concludes with provision of written materials that summarize and reinforce what was presented verbally. These materials may include diagrams and a brief explanation of voicing methods and neck breathing. "What You Need to Know about Cancer of the Larynx", published by the National Cancer Institute, provides definitions of medical terms, and summarizes treatment options. A patient pathway, or chart, summarizing a "typical" treatment time-line is another tool that reinforces the verbal content of the pre-operative meeting. Finally, the patient is encouraged to meet with a well-rehabilitated laryngectomee before or several days after surgery.
Another, essential element of the pre-operative meeting is informal or formal speech and language assessment. Throughout the discussion phase of the meeting, the speech pathologist may form impressions of receptive and expressive language skills, articulation, fluency and voice. This assessment informs the clinician if the communication treatment plan or treatment materials may need to be modified. For example, if baseline-speaking rate is excessive and articulation is impaired, the laryngectomee may require additional intervention. For example, the patient may need to increase oral movements and reduce his speaking rate to have functional voice with an artificial larynx. If the patient has limited speaking rate to have functional voice with an artificial larynx. If the patient has limited tongue movement, he will likely have difficulty learning the injection method of loading the esophagus for esophageal voice. If problems, such as sound omissions or distortions, are noted, an oral-motor examination should be performed. The fit of dentures, if present, should be evaluated. If the prospective laryngectomee has not had a recent audiological examination, then hearing should be screened, as impaired hearing will influence a patient's ability to monitor his new voice.
Some clinicians find it useful to formally record that patient's voice while reading a standardized passage. This gives the speech pathologist a point of reference with regards to baseline rate and prosody as the patient learns a new voicing technique. It also provides a method of identifying average fundamental frequency, which is helpful in programming or adjusting the pitch of the patient's artificial larynx.
There may be many new concepts for the patient to absorb at a time when he or she may be under a great amount of stress. It is useful to acknowledge this directly. Inform the patient that the information you presented in the initial meeting will be presented repeatedly during the post-operative period and that more information will be available as treatment progresses. Provide additional resources, such as the Self-Help for the Laryngectomy (Lauder, 1993) and Looking Forward- A Guidebook for Laryngectomees (Keith, Shane, Coates & Devine, 1977) for patients to refer to once they leave your office.
Patients are individuals and the pre-operative meeting must be tailored to meet the needs of the individual. As a novice clinician I thought the important part of pre-treatment teaching was the provision of accurate, detailed information to the patient. It was my hope that none of my patients would find fault in my information or say, "No one told me that." As I have gained experience, I have come to talk less and listen more. This allows me to tailor my teaching to the individual's needs. When it comes to the essential elements of pre- operative counseling, Shirley Salmon (Salmon, 1994) said it best "the only matter of importance is that the laryngectomee and family receive information that is as accurate and complete as they wish it to be."
* Groher, M.E. & Gonzalez, E.E, Mechanical Disorders of Swallowing. In Groher, ME (ed), Dysphagia Diagnosis and
Management, (2nd ed), Boston: Butterworth-Heinemann, 1992:53-84.
* Lauder E., Self Help for the Laryngectomee. San Antonio: Lauder Enterprises, 1997.
* Keith, R.L., Shane, H.C., Coates, H.L. C., & Devine, K.D. (1977), Looking Forward-A Guidebook for the Laryngectomee. Rochester, MN: Mayo Foundation.
* National Cancer Institute, What You Need To Know About Cancer of the Larynx. NIH Publication No. 95-1568. Bethesda.National Cancer Institute, 1995.
* Salmon, S.J., Pre-and Postoperative Conferences with Laryngectomees and Their Spouses. In RL Keith, FL Darley (eds), Laryngectomee Rehabilitation (3rd ed). Austin, TX: PRO-ED, 1994; 133-148.
"I Left My Voice on the Dining Room Table"
Imagine if you will those early days when you have just learned you have to have a laryngectomy. Perhaps you barely had time to learn how to spell laryngectomee before you became one. Remember that overwhelming feeling of having so many questions you hardy knew where to begin. Now imagine Pat Sanders just shows up on your doorstep one day and in her characteristically straightforward way says, “These are some things you need to know. “ And she then proceeds to tell you and your family exactly what to expect about everything from managing mucus to swallowing, from communication to caregiving, from showering to eating, from fear to depression. And she stays with you holding your hand when necessary and gently but firmly nudging you out the door, also when necessary, until you maybe, just maybe, get the feeling you and your family are going to be okay.
Imaging all that and you have her new book, “I Left My Voice on the Dining Room Table”. It is a brilliant compilation of her own observations and expertise together with those of caregivers, health care providers and other laryngectomees. You could call it the CliffsNotes for all the Webwhispers library and archives. It’s just enough information to get you back on your feet but not so much that you feel daunted by the task. Pat is now your new best friend.
I was hurrying to be sure I had what I needed to take to my massage appointment with Shari. I put everything I needed on the table in the dining room.
After stopping to answer the telephone, I glanced at the time and realized I’d better get moving. Thirty minutes later, I parked the car, right on time, and reached for my shoulder bag. The side pocket where I always carried my Servox – my electronic larynx, my voice – was empty and I had feeling of pure panic. It was the first time this had happened. That device was my only way of making a sound since my laryngectomy, and I was totally mute without it.
My brain was spinning as I tried to think what I would do if anyone stopped me to talk or ask a question. Even worse, I thought of how tis could have happened and where I could have lost it. I breathed a sigh of relief when I remembered the telephone call, using the instrument, and putting the Servox back on the corner of the dining room table but not in my bag. With this, I took a pad of paper and wrote a note, which I handed to my friend when I went into her office. It said:
“I left my voice on the dining room table.”
Nor does she forget the family and friends who rally behind us even as they struggle to understand and help. Pat’s friend, Carolyn Chenault, writes:
On my way to Birmingham to spend the first week home from the hospital with my friend Pat Sanders, I worried. What if I poured the liquid “food” too quickly and strangled her? How could I help if she got strangled? .... My mind was racing with “what if” thoughts and how I could best react if one of my “what if” worries actually happened. I was bringing her a brass bell to ring when she needed me, but suppose I slept through it?
…. I remember the first practice with her Servox. She had her booklet she had been given with lists of words to practice. To avoid tears I made myself giggle inside quietly like a little girl poking fun. “Pat’s got a 'Dickand Jane' book!” One turns to any thought, no matter how juvenile, that will make you stop tears. She practiced. I listened. And it got easier for both of us.
Even if you aren’t new to the lary world it is good reading. I especially enjoyed the section on Healing Touch, a series of articles written by Shari Aizenman on the benefits of touch and massage and utilizing self-massage. I plan to start practicing that myself as I have developed some issues related to years of using an electrolarynx.
From the poignant passages about those first forays back into society as we learn to navigate the new normal to understanding our altered anatomy, I Left My Voice on the Dining Room Table is a very readable guide to this life and a welcome addition our library. Just like Pat it is down to earth, knowledgeable and compassionate. As she writes,
"If you have a laryngectomy it is not the end of the world. But it is the beginning of a different world, and you need to learn about it. We can help you do that.”
Well done, Pat!
For more information about ordering this book go to:
Speaking Out Suggestions for Topics
John Hendrix - Aug 2011
I would like to know what others did to overcome any fears or anxiety of getting out to social events, etc….where lots of people would be present, friends and strangers alike, and what would did they do when confronted with the physical change in voice. How did they blend in?
Catherine Quinn -
- What's the biggest change in your personality that you've seen since becoming a lary?
- What are your thoughts on the Dying with Dignity Act?
- What are the top three pieces of advice you would give to a new lary?
- Stories from the cruises?
- How have you 'given back' to the lary world since joining it?
- Name one thing that becoming a lary has stopped you from doing?
- Name one thing that it has allowed you to start doing?
Lou Trammell, Chicago, IL
Surgery day - your thoughts; before and after.
A question I thought provoked lots of touching and also funny answers was:
"What was the last thing you said with your voice before your your laryngectomy surgery?"
Travis Benton, Malone FL - Dec. 2002
Subject : Continued use of alcohol and or tobacco after surgery. I had tried to quit both before my surgery with no success. After my surgery it was like turning off a light. I didn't want either anymore and I feel better today than I ever have.
I would be interested in knowing about the success rate of radiation treatments for people with head or neck cancers, where the therapy eliminated the need for surgery.
Sally North, Dallas TX - 1990
How about writing to the Title of, "It Is Nice To Be Alive"
Elizabeth Finchem, Tucson, AZ 10/78
What were you told you would no longer be able to do as a laryngectomee only to discover you could…and more?
Thank you for your submissions. Edits are used for length, clarity and to keep comments on subject of the month.
Staff of Speaking Out
Losing my voice – learning from silence.
For a number of months I could only write notes or use a whiteboard to communicate. And at many levels it worked well – to my surprise shopkeepers hardly batted an eye when I wrote on the whiteboard instead of asking them verbally for what I wanted. Texts and emails still worked fine. Among friends, when discussions got deep, I found the slow pace of writing OK. It gave me time for relaxation and reflection in contrast to the fast pace of speech. At other times it was great to be able to take a back-seat and listen to conversations without any pressure to contribute. Once, when someone came to dinner and I was exhausted by the effort before we even sat down at the table, I felt so relieved to be able to stall the pace, writing slowly, giving myself time to take a few breaths and recover some good humour.
Nowadays I use the electrolarynx, and occasionally even forget I’m no longer talking with my old voice. Most children love it – I’m a great novelty for them. And sometimes it gives me a laugh too. But the mechanical sound grates on my nerves at times. And it’s hard work by comparison to natural speech. My tongue and jaw have been damaged by the surgery, so I can only speak quite slowly and have to make a big effort to articulate. It sometimes feels like I’m shouting. And often I have to repeat words again and again or throw in a bit of mime in order to be understood. So it gets tiring.
During the initial recovery period and the radio / chemo treatments, I hardly thought about losing my voice at all. The only thoughts that came up were mildly consoling ones. For example, I often thought “I don’t need to talk right now” or “You don’t need to talk a lot of the time”. But the down-side of my situation was literally unthinkable.
Then a friend gave me Colm Toibin’s book “The Testament of Mary”. This opened Pandora’s Box and the snakes came sliding through! I wondered why the book was making me so happy (it’s a powerful but not at all a happy story). I found I was buzzing with the delightful thought of Jesus’s miracles! I had never reflected much on that aspect of the Christian story before. But now ... the possibility of a miracle ... and maybe for me ... a glimmer of hope was born! At one level, of course, I could laugh at myself. But a moment later I was sucked in again. Miracles happened then – why not now? I could go to Lourdes or Knock or Medjugorje! And sure, while He was curing my throat, couldn’t He give me back my strength and mobility in my arms and neck and shoulders as well? How about the body of a thirty-year-old? That would be grand. Smiling happily, heart soaring, I just knew the healing was coming my way soon. Then a wave of rationality would wash over: “Come on Noirin, get a grip!”
This was my first emotional reaction to the laryngectomy – getting high on the thought of reversing it all! The high certainly lifted my spirits, but the effort of continually reigning in the delusion was exhausting. Eventually I got fed up with the daydreaming mind and really wanted to stop buying into the delusion. But how to do this without suppressing the hope and the desire for well-being?
I noticed it only happened when I was in good humour. The mind would catch on to the good humour and build a great future of health and strength. Why couldn’t I just enjoy the good humour instead? I started to note “dreaming of now, dreaming of now” when I felt myself being sucked into the daydream. With this anchor in reality, I could feel the happiness, and on the edge of this, my painful flickering attempts to grasp at it, to project it into a wonderful future. As I focused on these feelings, the other aspects of “now” sank in: no miracle, no voice box, no speech. Happiness turned to sorrow, but I preferred it to delusion, and my heart began to open, glad to be touching at last on the grief of losing my voice.
With that the heady daydreams disappeared and I was able to start thinking rationally about the reality of my situation. I had been wondering when it would hit me. Now that I could recognize the grief I could also see it had been lurking, unrecognised, in my earlier fear and anxiety. I had been turning away from the obvious reality in terror, having no idea how to live without a voice. I was reminded of the opening words of C. Day Lewis’s “A Grief Observed”: No one ever told me that grief that was so like fear. It was a relief to be able to name it as grief. With that, compassion arose and I could acknowledge the loss. It was as simple as saying, “Yes Noirin, this is tough.” But that simple recognition meant everything. I felt more able and willing to care for myself as a laryngectomee.
I’m still working on this one – some days it’s easy, some days not. But I’m grateful for the deeper lesson this is teaching me – that my body isn’t reliable. Some day it will get completely exhausted by the effort of life, and my heart will stop, my breath will stop. Then what? That is the question.
I don’t have a pat answer, but after years of mindfulness practice, I am increasingly drawn towards a silence that underlies my mind and body, a sensitive intelligent stillness that is not excited by my hopes or sullied by my anger or frightened by my fears. At one level, losing my voice affects me deeply, but when I can sense that blessed silence I know for sure that nothing of real value has been lost.
A true story of how I met a refined elderly lady in the middle of the night, outside her house front door as I was struggling on the ground with a fighting shop-breaker who was trying to escape. Nevertheless the elderly grey haired lady and myself maintained our conversation in that typical British politeness. Worthy of a smile.
“DON’T BE RUDE, THE LADY MIGHT HEAR YOU”
One night in 1952 I was on duty at the Brixton Crime Patrol standing in a deep shop doorway to get out of the cold night wind when during the early hours I suddenly saw a face peering around the corner of the road opposite. I had myself a customer, a potential burglar who was about to commit a shop-breaking and was making quite sure that the main road was clear of the odd pedestrian or passing car before committing his foul deed.
Eventually he came out onto the pavement, carrying a brick and raising his arm he hurled the brick at a jeweller’s shop window. Even as the glass pane was falling shattered to the pavement, with an appalling din, he was moving forward to grab his loot and I had emerged from my hiding place and was racing across the road to grab him.
He suddenly realised that I was almost on top of him and threw himself sideways and ran terribly fast down that same side turning with me in close pursuit. After several streets he was beginning to slow down and I caught up with him, but instead of giving up the fool started to fight me. A fist fight went on for a couple of minutes, until at last I got him to the ground with me laying beside him, my legs wrapped round his waist, one of my arms around his neck forcing his head back and my other hand was forcing an arm up his back in a half-nelson.
We had finished up on the deck in this locked in position down the garden path of an old Victorian house and the villain in his struggles was kicking at the street door. I knew that once I got my breath back and tried to stand up with my prisoner, the fight would start again in his attempt to escape and I knew by the size of this man the trouble I would have. There were no such things as personal radios in those days and very few households had telephones. As I was contemplating my next move, so as not to lose my prisoner, the street door opened very slightly
and a very elderly lady peering round the door with her hair in curlers, looked down in amazement at us.
I asked her if she had a telephone and she said that she had so I asked her to dial 999 and tell them that an officer needed urgent assistance. She vanished and shortly afterwards the door opened again and she said that she had done that.
She then said, “My sister told me to ask you if you would like a cup of tea, Officer, and do you take sugar and we’re afraid we only have biscuits.”
I found it hard not to smile at this but thanked her very much and explained I was pretty tied-up at that particular moment. She smiled sweetly and closed the door.
The prisoner said, “The bleedin’ old cow, she didn’t offer me a cup.” I pushed his arm further up his back until he yelped with pain, “Wotcher do that for?”
“Don’t be rude, the lady might hear you.”
The FCC Watches over Us??
Net Neutrality and What it means to You
Net neutrality is the latest controversy to hit the tech world headlines, but what does it mean and how can it effect you and I. You may not fully realize just what this means to you but read on and learn how our free use of the internet is threatened.
In a nutshell this is the term that is being used to define the use of the internet as being free of any external influences for all to use and enjoy. Another article from CNET (a subsidiary of CBS) lays out the current state of affairs and how the outcome may impact us.
Recently it was disclosed that Netflix had offered to pay Comcast cash for the privileged use and access to its own “high speed” data The higher speed and bandwidth would come from “other” users including competitors, you and I. Our bandwidths would be “throttled" back to slow our speeds to allow for the higher speeds for Netflix.
Do you know your internet speed ad are you getting what you’re paying for? You can check your own internet speed now at PC Pitstop Speed Test :
Travel Tips and Ideas
Planning a Summer Trip?
Do you remember the world of travel information you used to pass in the mall as you shopped? It was called Auntie Freeze’s Travel Agency and catered to your every travel need from plane tickets, tour arrangements and hotel reservations. Well, the neighborhood travel agent has finally eloped with the black smith...not to be seen again as we knew them.
Today you make your own travel arrangements with a few simple clicks of the keyboard...you search for your best airfare, flight plan, stop-overs, hotel prices and amenities. Be sure you check all restrictions and fees when booking your hotel or flight. You can also arrange for any of thousands of tours offered. You can do all this using websites such as Priceline, Trivago, Hotels Plus, and Orbitz just to name a few. You can also access airline and hotel websites directly if you have a specific preference. Most of the Travel Agents that are left now work out of a home office and use many of the same tools available to you. The biggest advantage of using a travel agent is that they have personally made the same trips you are planning and are familiar with local sites and tours available.
There are some quirks to be aware of when using the internet to plan and pay for your traveling plans...the biggest being security. Why ?? The obvious is your credit card information,but another seldom thought of danger is alerting strangers to your travel plans and periods when your residence will be vacant. Trip planning in a public place is not the best idea since you never know who is eaves dropping over your shoulder or scanning the air for insecure networks so they can capture personal information. Never ever make your plans in an insecure network...PERIOD!
Keep track of all your plans and ideas by using an online note system. A new offering from Microsoft is One Note which can now be downloaded and used free of charge and is available for both Windows and Mac...
You can also use Evernote which is available from Filehippo at ...
Tips and Tricks While Traveling!
Got an cell phone? Take it along with a fully charged battery and use it’s camera as a journal of your trip and visits. Don’t forget your charger! Be sure to check your hotel specifications for electrical,,,in Europe you will find 220V. not the usual 120V we have in the USA. In fact, if you are traveling to Europe or Asia make it a point to buy a 220/120V converter before you leave. The converters are relatively inexpensive and work with all your devices.
If you plan to use the internet during your trip be sure your hotel provides free internet and if you want to use the internet while flying check with your airline for internet access....Delta Airlines is one provider that stresses its free internet while flying with them.
Do you use a Magic jack? If you do take it with you and when you get to you destination plug it in and your have your home phone number ready to use.
The use of Skype for for staying in touch with family and friends has been on hte rise for several reasons. Skype calls are free if they are Skype to Skype, Skype is available for all popular operating systems, the obvious benefit of speaking face to face, no need to try and type your thoughts and emotions, and it’s just plain fun..ask any 5 or 6 year old kid!
Skype can be downloaded at Filehippo free of any charges ...
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